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Thursday, February 14, 2008

Let's go Dutch: Golden Gate to buy Exact for Infor?

Dutch treat (NOUN) ... An outing, as for dinner or a movie, in which all persons pay their own expenses. (American Heritage Dictionary)

Somehow this one seems to have escaped the notice of most of the US tech press: Exact Holdings (based in Amsterdam) is talking to private equity firms about a sale, including Infor backer Golden Gate Capital. This article in the Financial Times has the skinny.

For those of you keeping score, that would mean a second tombstone for the venerable Macola ERP apps, and a third for the trio of small-company products acquired most recently from Kewill: MAX, Alliance/MFG, and JobBOSS.

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Monday, October 08, 2007

SAP buys Business Objects

This one's all over the financial press, so I won't bother with any links right now. But it's worth asking what's really driving this. As lots of people have observed, it's a pretty dramatic strategic turnaround for SAP - especially on the heels of the Business ByDesign product announcement (which seemed to underscore their internal-growth plan).

So are they just playing catch-up to Larry Ellison? Or is it a deeper problem? The market expects some pretty big revenue numbers from SAP, and there aren't but so many $100MM software sales out there to be had. OK, so they'll launch the ByDesign midmarket play, but sheesh, that's a lot of volume they'll need to generate.

Maybe cheaper just to buy the revenue.

So, will they end up buying Infor eventually, as AMR's Bruce Richardson and others hasve suggested? I was skeptical, but less so now. Haven't seen that S-1 filing yet. Just think of all the trees we could save by just fast-forwarding straight to that deal.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems to me that maybe Sage is a good fit for SAP. They only real value in Sage is the customer lists. In trying to ramp up the ByDesign business, how much would it help to have captive audience of over 4 million companies, all of whom are on dead end products because of the Sage business model.

12:25 AM  
Blogger Ned Lilly, OpenMFG said...

Interesting. I'm all for "dead" metaphors, but can you elaborate on what you mean by "dead end products because of the Sage business model"?

7:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SAP wil never ever buy infor.
Infor has like a zoo of different products, there is no value at all for SAP and infor has a complete opposite strategy.

8:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked for Infor and people are leaving like rats from a sinking ship. They might know how to acquire companies, but don't have a clue about running one. There is no organic growth going on. SAP would be better just to wait for them to implode.

5:03 PM  

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Tuesday, September 11, 2007

Burp! That little piece of Syteline tastes like a bad mortgage!

In an interview with Managing Automation, Infor CEO Jim Schaper says they're going to take a little breather from gobbling up software companies. Sadly, it seems the formerly voracious PEGs who funded the takeover spree until now are now worried about the overall state of the debt markets.

It's not fair! Just because Capital One sent all those credit card applications to unemployed people, that doesn't mean we should stop rounding up ERP corpses! What's an ERP graveyard without fresh carrion? :(

Oh well. Schaper does say Infor will concentrate on "preparing the company for an initial public stock offering, which could take place within the next 12 months." That's when the PEGs will cash out, of course. And that gives me an idea.

We've heard similar rumblings from the other end of the spectrum, open source CRM startup SugarCRM. Sugar will do maybe $15 million in revenues this year, but is in a hot space and growing like kudzu organically. Infor will do $2.3 billion (with a B) - that's 153 times more.

Anyone want to bet which company goes out first?

And if you really want to place a bet, talk to me about comparative valuation ranges for the offerings. Comment away!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Infor - Lots of Debt but more doubt

Infor spent about $4 billion on 31 companies and 100+ old ERP programs.

Now they aren't doing anymore aquistions due to debt markets and internal issues.

One has to wonder how this announcement will effect R&D spending on all of these programs.

One also has to wonder, what is Infor going to do with all of the products they now own. How are they going to address the fact that they have numerous overlapping products that overlap in functionality all focused on the same market.

What will the future hold for all of these products? SOA or SOL?

8:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word from some Infor sources is that the company has classified some products as 'flagship' products.

What does it mean to the Infor products that are not classified as a 'flagship' product?

4:28 PM  
Blogger Ned Lilly, OpenMFG said...

To paraphrase the earlier respondent, they're Ship Out of Luck :)

4:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like our friends at Infor are hungry for more legacy ERP programs.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/3692b47a-cb4a-11dc-97ff-000077b07658.html

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone heard anymore about Infor buying Exact? Guess they changed their minds about the public offering. That will push any offering another 12 months!!

3:57 PM  

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Saturday, June 23, 2007

Soft demand for Soft Brands (or, "please buy us, SAP")

Curiouser and curiouser. After spending the past couple of years batting eyelids at SAP with the "Fourth Shift SAP Business One Edition for Small Manufacturers Who Want to Staple Together Two Completely Dissimilar Legacy Windows Products," now Soft Brands has quietly turned off the lights on the solo Fourth Shift product altogether. Managing Automation has the story. This might be the first Graveyard case where there's nothing left to buy in the end: a nearly-cost-free de facto acquisition.

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Blogger c said...

How ironic, by concentrating on staple-together ware rather than software innovation 4th shift switches the lights out!

6:27 PM  
Blogger Rebecca Gill said...

Very depressing news. Although this is a competitor of mine and I love your ERP Graveyard listing, it does break my heart everytime a new tomb appears, an ERP vendor goes away, or a product forgetten.

10:00 AM  
Blogger MegMhe said...

Thank you for creating a non-bias historical record of the ERP players for those of us who only follow the ERP game occasionally.

2:46 PM  
Blogger Ned Lilly, xTuple said...

Gosh, you're quite welcome... but I'm hardly non-biased :)

I think the only prudent thing an ERP consumer can do in the face of all this graveyard activity, all this uncertainty, is to acquire an open source-powered ERP system like mine.

Cheers,
Ned

2:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just curious what you meant when you referred to two different windows legacy systems. I though Business One was a new product purchased by SAP within the last decade and developed/refined with the latest technology. Please set me straight if I am misinformed. Thanks.
The folks at Softbrands openly admit that "Fourth Shift Edition" for Business One is not as full-featured as the product they are retiring, but they sure do get a lot of money for it.

3:50 PM  
Blogger Ned Lilly, xTuple said...

Fair enough, BusinessOne is not as much of a "legacy" system as Fourth Shift. But they are two different code bases, which themselves are also both different from the R/3 product (of course), and the new ByDesign product (which was apparently written largely from scratch - making it the prettiest girl at the ball, and presumably most favored by SAP management).

So in that sense, B1 is a legacy system in that there is some overlap between its market and ByDesign's...

3:58 PM  

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Oracle's Pretty Late Move

The long-expected PLM acquisition from Oracle came down today, as Agile Corp. fell into the arms of the Redwood Shores serial acquirer. Some good notes from MA's coverage:
  • "over the past two years, Agile has had difficulty achieving consistent profitability"
  • "Soon after taking over as CEO in January 2006, however, [CEO Jay] Fulcher also began searching for potential buyers for Agile"
  • AMR's Jim Shepherd: "It's not really a surprise that Oracle ended up with Agile. The surprise is that it took this long."
Fulcher trots out the familiar canard of CEO's who decide a sale/payday is the best strategic option for a software company that misses its numbers: "Scale is such an imperative in the enterprise software space," he said. "We were at a run rate of $134 million, which is a very difficult size to be and still maintain all the things that are important about being a public company."

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